The Problem with Sleepy Stickers: A Teacher’s Perspective with Denver Riley

Andrea: Welcome to those who can't do I am your host Andrea Forcum and today we have one of my favorite humans. Denver Riley is back to co host today. Hi, what is the sign behind your head that you have there? 

Denver: Yeah, thank you so much for asking. So I'm not sure if it's going to be backwards. 

Andrea: It's not, it looks good, but I have questions.

Denver: The word bagel is banned from, is banned from use in this classroom. Um, that was created from, by one of my students from last year, uh, my fifth period had this infatuation with bagels, and just like every day I was like, is this code for something that like, I don't know about? Right. Right. No. Huh. Because like half the class ate them.

I'm like, it's not breakfast time. 

Andrea: They were just eating bagels. They were just on their bagel game from somewhere specific. Like was it the same bagel shop? The school bagels? Like the free ones that come wrapped in saran wrap? 

Denver: That like, I swear, like if you threw them at someone, it would like slice their arm off.

They're so hard. So like, I don't, so a student actually who did not engage in bagel gate, uh, made that sign and gave it to me as a Christmas present. Oh. Because I was like, we need to stop with the bagels. And then that only made it funnier for them, obviously. 

Andrea: Right. Did they capitalize band, um, just to screw with you as their English teacher or was that just a rough go?

Denver: No, it really bothers me. Um, I think they were trying to, I'm going to just go ahead and say they were trying to take creative liberty with the poster. 

Andrea: Yeah. I mean, there are some like E. E. Cummings. He just did some things. Rules? 

Denver: No. 

Andrea: Yeah. Just because. Do you remember, like, I, I don't know, for me when I was in high school and we got to that section of poetry and they were like, here's E.

1. Cummings. He just flagrantly ignores capitalization and grammar. 

Denver: Yeah, I was like, wait a second. I thought we spent time making sure we didn't do that, but then I guess, I think the answer was like, well, when you know it. You can use, you can do, you don't have to use, I don't know. 

Andrea: That's what I was told, is like, hey guys, listen, it, in order to break the rules you have to know them first.

And I think that that's a cop out, I don't agree. I, you know what, I'm gonna take a stance, I don't like E. E. Cummings, I think that, He was pretentious and obnoxious. I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say it. 

Denver: Honestly, isn't he dead? 

Andrea: Yep. Yes. He won't listen to this. Didn't he do the wheelbarrow one? Like, much, what is that poem?

Much relies on a wheelbarrow and a chicken beside the shi what is it? Now I gotta Google it. I think so, maybe. I don't know. It seems like some nonsense. It sounds 

Denver: some Okay. 

Andrea: Much, what is it? Yes. Much comes, 

Denver: no, I don't know, you're looking. Much comes with the wheelbarrow. 

Andrea: It's like much resides on a wheelbarrow beside the white chickens.

This is gonna be so wrong. I 

Denver: think this is a 

Andrea: dream that you have. It's not. Okay. First of all, we need to talk about 

Denver: your problem. 

Andrea: The disparagement on E. E. Cummings was, uh, accurate, but the red wheelbarrow was not E. E. Cummings. So I'm so sorry. The person who I hate for that is William Carlos Williams. Um, are you ready?

Okay. 

Denver: What was the name again? 

Andrea: Okay. William Carlos Williams, 

Denver: yes. So if we just took out Carlos, it would be William Williams. 

Andrea: Yes. That's his name. Okay. And here's why I got it confused. I'm actually kind of proud of myself. His poetry also lacking punctuation, lacking capitalization. So he and E. E., they're big buddies.

Um, but it is, are you ready for this poetry reading? 

Denver: I literally could not be more ready. 

Andrea: Okay, great. Uh, so much depends upon a red wheelbarrow glazed with rainwater beside the white chickens. That's it. That's the whole poem. Tell me about it. 

Denver: One word 

for you. Chills. 

Andrea: Can you share with me what, what's the meaning?

How does that poem make you feel? Because this is something I have. Swear to God, straight face, taught to a class and tried to sell it like I thought it was great. You've, you've tried to sell this poem, ma'am? A thousand percent to my freshmen at the small private school I taught at. I stood up there and was like, let's talk about those white chickens.

Denver: Okay. So maybe, maybe it's, uh, maybe it's a, um, maybe it's an allegory for, um, um, You know, diversity in our society, and how But, 

Andrea: my students response when I read that, kind of Well, my students, that's what my students got out of it, because their immediate response was, after I read, So Much Depends on Red Wheelbarrow Glazed with Rainwater Beside the White Chickens, one of my students said, Yo, why they gotta be white chickens, though?

They're like, this guy was racist, and I was like, uh 

Denver: Um, guys Your guess is as best as mine. You're like, you're like actually asking the question. You're like, no, but like, what does it mean? I'm not asking you to analyze. I'm asking you to tell me what does it mean? I 

Andrea: don't know. Yeah. There's a, there's a lot of analysis that goes into it.

I feel like these kinds of poems and like postmodern art, very similar vibes of like, what you get out of it is, is the message and all that. 

Denver: It's kind of like, have you seen the movie, um, oh, uh, Date Night? Yes. Where they, don't they like go to a museum or, no, I'm thinking of 500 Days of Summer where they go.

Have you seen that? 

Andrea: I have, but it's been a long time. 

Denver: They go to some museum on their date and like, it's just like a plate of like poop. Oh. And, and she's like, it's almost like it's saying so much without saying anything. That's what I That's sometimes how I feel looking at things. I'm like, Yeah.

Absolutely. Yes. 

Andrea: Yes. Of course. I think the, the way I taught this. Okay. The way I taught it. Okay. Was talking about. Oh God. 

I'm 

already scared. So these are freshmen. Right. And I'm like, guys, like so much depends upon the red wheelbarrow. What does a wheelbarrow do? I'm going to teach it to you, Denver. What does a wheelbarrow do?

Denver: It just moves things around. 

Andrea: Where? A farm. Right. Right. And what, what depends, what in the world depends on a farm? Animals.

No, we've got the white chickens already there. Yes, Denver, please. The farmers. Yes. Yes. And also. The community. Exactly. Yes. Thank you so much. What a beautiful poem. Moving on to the next one. And that's how I 

Denver: would do it. And they're like, yeah. You guys got that too? 

Andrea: Sure. Yes. That's how I would teach it. 

Denver: You, hey, at least you did it.

Andrea: I did it. I'm proud of you. I'm not sure that proud is the way I feel about teaching that. I, I, I feel for you. Right. Uh, has there been something you have taught where you felt like that, where you're like, I don't get it. I mean, other than, you know,

Denver: Um, no, that's when I haven't paused. Okay. So fun fact about me, it's not necessarily like teaching things. I am the world's worst speller. Oh, really? Me and spelling, it gives me such anxiety. Okay. Sound it out. I can't, because now I'm stressed about saying it correctly. I hate reading out loud, like that gives me so much anxiety, like I need to look into what happened to me in my past of like why that's a thing, but so when it's like, you know, a kid, how do you spell such as, interesting, um, not sure, interesting question, I love that question, so yeah, and I think my first year teaching, All the time, I was like, I don't really think I get, like I'm trying to think, maybe with like, certain figurative language, they're like, is this, would you consider this This, and 

Andrea: I'm like, simile or a metaphor or like, 

Denver: like simile I got, okay.

Andrea: Personification. Sometimes it gets a little sticky with personification. I gotta say. 

Denver: Personification gets a little sticky because it could be metaphor, right? It could, you know, it's idioms kind of like mess me up that I'm like, 

um, 

Andrea: whatever you think, trust yourself. One of the things I like to say is like, well, can you back it up with reasoning?

And if they can, I'm like, share that reasoning with me. And I see if they're able to like, pitch me into really being an English major is being able to BS your way through four years of college. 

Denver: One billion percent. It's word salad BS. Yeah. 

Andrea: That's all it is. I'm sorry to those of you who took like STEM classes and had to get the answers right.

We didn't have to get answers right. We just had to be like, let me tell you about that red wheelbarrow. 

Denver: Let me tell you about why the white chickens aren't just white chickens. It's, 

Andrea: and that it's actually bigger, 

Denver: and then you get an A plus. Systemic 

Andrea: racism is why they're white chickens. Probably a thousand 

Denver: percent.

Yeah. 

Andrea: Thousand percent. And let's talk about men while we're at it too. , the damn patriarchy and the white chickens. What, I'm trying to 

Denver: think how we can gender 

Andrea: this in any way. 

Denver: Why is, why aren't they hens? 

Andrea: I, it's a, chickens are female. Chickens in general. Wait, what? Wait, I, every time I 

Denver: come on this damn podcast, I question if I even have a brain.

Andrea: No, because roosters are, chickens, okay, chickens are like the umbrella term for both, right? 

Denver: So, it's almost like squares and rectangles, like, no, no, no, how like a square, like a rectangle is a square, but a square isn't a rectangle, kind of like that. Sure. Or like, does that make any sense? God, I'm just digging my whole figure of like, Are female chickens a 

Andrea: hen?

A female chicken, okay, an adult female, okay, so they're all called chickens, but a hen and rooster, so excuse me for shaming you, that is so incorrect. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Now, I just don't know the difference between chickens. This is what happens. And that is like real embarrassing living in the great state of Indiana and not knowing that both are called chickens.

But once, if you had said hen, then I would have been like, it's supposed to be rooster and I would have tried to make you feel bad. But yeah, no, 

Denver: I think we were both wrong and we can admit that. 

Andrea: Yeah. And that's okay. It's okay. Because we're here to learn things about white chickens and chickens of any ethnicity.

Really? Any chicken 

Denver: colors? I am welcoming of all chickens. They're really yummy and tasty. Sorry. Yeah. Spoiler. I eat meat. 

Andrea: Not, not a vegan. Cancel me. 

Denver: Yeah. 

Andrea: Not, not vegan. Um, no, don't. She can't. We can't do that. Um, you actually just finished a full day of teaching. 

Denver: I surely did sister. 

Andrea: How was it? How were the children?

Denver: You know what, I have to, can I be, is this, can I be honest? This is a safe place, yeah, 

Andrea: please do. They might hear it, so, but maybe they need to hear it. No, it's okay, 

Denver: they, they know. Okay. They know. Today was one of those days of just I want to cry every single second. 

Andrea: Okay. 

Denver: Very overwhelming day. Just, you know, you know, you know, teachers know when you're in the trenches, it's just those, I didn't go to first or second period today because I woke up extremely late, extremely exhausted.

Something's happening with me. I need to go to the doctor and figure out why I'm always tired. Um, so I took the morning to be like, just, can you get your life together? Yeah. So I came and I just, my first period of the day, which was third period, stressing me out a little bit that nobody did their work.

You know, I was out Monday, just kind of like an accumulation of all of these things. 

Andrea: Yeah. 

Denver: I got word of like, one of my periods was for sure not doing what they're supposed to be doing when the sub was there, inviting their friends, moving seats, all the phones out. Right. And then It's the little things of like, good morning, good morning, and they just like, say nothing.

Oh, cool. I'll just go sit in the corner and talk to myself. So it's just one of, I was just. It's a, it was a very, it was one of those days for sure. 

Andrea: I get that. What do you get? Are you guys, you guys are on a new unit from last time you were here, I believe, right? 

Denver: We're on a new unit, um, uh, as of Tuesday. So very fresh and very new.

I always, the reason that I get in that, like, I feel like crying mode isn't because I think of what's necessarily happening, but the way that I have to be then because it's happening. Does that make sense? Of like, you're making me give you a lecture and I feel bad about that because I love you guys. Like, I love my students so much.

Yeah. I'm like, you are making me 

Andrea: be this way. Right. I am fun. Please stop. Like, I'm so fun. Mm hmm. And you guys are, and you know, I'm fun ruining it. You're ruining the fun. 

Denver: You're ru you're, you're a fun sucker. fun. You suck the fun out of everything. 

Andrea: Yeah. And like, so speaking of. What I, for me, a lot of times sucks the fun out of a lot of things is when I have had to work within like a scripted curriculum, which is something that can, I feel like there are arguments both ways for this, like it can be beneficial, but it can also be 100 

Denver: percent 

Andrea: real brutal, and I think that your district has a fairly scripted curriculum for what you're going through right now.

Denver: Yeah, it's, um, it is scripted and what's, what I like about our team and you know, being a part of our team, um, or until you ditched us and left us in the dust. No, it's 

Andrea: like being a Marine, like I'm like always a part of it forever. No, like, no, seriously, 

Denver: like, Thank you for your service, like, you're welcome here with us.

Um, but we are so collaborative and we're so welcoming and opening to new fresh ideas. To me, that's what makes teaching so enjoyable 

is 

the creativity Like, it's being creative. You get to be creative all day long. So I find, and I feel like we all kind of agree, when it's more so scripted and it takes out the creativity, that translation makes it a little bit more challenging.

Especially if you have that reputation with you and your students of like, guys, I'm here to help you. Let's break this down together, which you can still do that with scripted. It just makes it a little bit more. black and white and not so colorful like you want it to be. Right. Um, 

Andrea: well, and I feel like for those who have never had to work within kind of a scripted curriculum, generally it is where everything is kind of provided for you for the teacher To prepare and conduct a lesson, and in and of itself, that sounds incredible, like, I, and to be clear, I, I think I would rather that than be left with nothing, because I have done both.

Thousand percent. And I have gone to a school for the first time and they're like, cool, here's the books you have to teach, here's the amount of days in the year, go. Good luck. Exactly. See you at the end. And that stresses me all the way out. On the other hand, right now, I'm. I'm like rotating through a bunch of districts.

I go to a bunch of middle schools and I'll go from classroom to classroom right now. And I have a lot of social studies teachers that I'm working with this semester and they are all working on the revolutionary war. So I'll hop from classroom to classroom. Yes, I 

Denver: know much about that. 

Andrea: The Articles of Confederation, for example.

Right. Yeah. We'll come back to that. Totally. We'll let you define that in a minute. Um, and so I'll hop from classroom to classroom and they're all pretty much covering the exact same thing, which in especially a social studies class, super helpful, right? I was just 

Denver: going to say that that's across the board.

Events, events of historical whatever. Yeah, you 

Andrea: know, we know how important history is to you and that you remember all, dare I say, a passion. Yeah, quite, quite the passion. Um, and so I, I go around, but when, Um, when I see some teachers who, because they have a scripted curriculum, it then shuts off the part, I think, of our brains that kind of made us want to be teachers to begin with where it's like, I, I'm excited about this topic.

I'm excited about finding ways to make it connect and to make it enriching for these kids. And so I have these students that I'm putting in there and they're handed the scripted curriculum by their host teacher. And they don't have a lot of flexibility because they have to do this. And so, I mean, some of them are in classes where there's lecture for like 40 minutes while students are doing fill in the blank notes.

Denver: And I always go back to, I mean, we were just talking about this, right? Students are almost like customers. You have to sell them. Yeah. And if, if you're giving them 40 minutes of lecture, respectfully, you give me 40 minutes of lecture and I'm checked out after, what is it? You can only pay attention forever, how many minutes, like your age, it corresponds.

Andrea: Is it, is it that or like half? I don't remember if it's like exactly as many. It's something like that, so let's just say it's 

Denver: half, or yeah, let's say it's between half and the actual number. I've lost them. Around 10 minutes. So that's why the flexibility of like, okay, now we're gonna, instead of writing this prompt, you're going to turn to your neighbor and you're going to talk and then we're going to ask questions and then we're going to have a group discussion.

And then it's a reflection when it's like you said, just lecture or here is the pamphlet. Yeah. Puppy dog eyes of like, 

Andrea: Yeah, and I think the thing that's really difficult, too, because you can, you can still do like a turn and talk, you can do all of those things with the scripted curriculum, but what you can't do is bring in something else that you're like, ooh, you know what was in the news this week that I think the kids would be hyped about?

Let's do this. Or, hey, instead of reading about the white chickens, maybe we analyze a song that we know that they're super into right now. Absolutely. Right. A thousand percent. Like that's kind of, I feel like that's the part where it, it takes away that fun autonomy and that fun piece of being an educator.

And it kills me when I see that. And I, I'm going to be so for real, like, I don't know what research says about different types of scripted curriculum. Like I'm sure there are some that are more research based than others. I would say. From 

Denver: what I understand that research, because obviously. our fearless leader, you know, we, we like to ask questions of just like the why a lot of the research is coming from elementary and middle schools, which 

Andrea: it's a different beast.

It is a different beast, 

Denver: like different languages. 

It really is. 

Andrea: And I feel like it's also different because you, like, if you've got a big, first of all, I can't. Imagine teaching elementary. I cannot fathom every time I, I had sometimes have nightmares that I wake up and someone's like, you're late for work and I get to work and it's like a third grade classroom full of children.

Denver: You know what? It could not be. I do not feel that way because I have been able to work with elementary school kids. I have that fear with middle school. 

Andrea: I'm scared. I got bullied by them today, actually. I'll tell you about that in a second. But, uh, you know, Denver, you're with them all day, though. Like, it's not No, that's actually so true.

Like, the existence of a third grader isn't as scary. Like, that's fine. But like, in the morning you see them, and then you keep seeing them. 

Denver: Wait, so true. I kind of maybe forgot about that element. Like, you And the crying, 

and the like, the brain has 

no 

hugs. 

Andrea: Do you know what my daughter has done this past week?

Please tell me 

Denver: about her. She 

Andrea: is my 

Denver: hero. 

Andrea: She's so sweet. She's such a kind human. She creates She so is. Art for everyone in class. So she has a class. She's in a small school. I think she's got like 18 kids in her class. And so last night she wouldn't go to bed because she wanted to draw a picture for each of the kids in her class so that no one was left out.

And then she created, you know, those little fuse bead things that like you like iron them. Yeah. She created a special one for her teacher and brought it in for her teacher. And she, cause she didn't want anyone to go without something, but like. Here's the thing, and that's so sweet, I kid you not, it's something like this at least once a week.

What do you do with all that stuff? Like, just from my daughter, I'm, and I'm so sorry, I throw away so much art that she does and it makes my husband so mad. Your face is She's gonna watch this one day and say, 

Denver: my mother hates me. I don't. She's really mad. I love her so much. I can't. I know you do. It's so much stuff.

I, that is such a good question of like, here, I made you, I just saw a video of this girl that was like, Reasons. Don't forget your why. Oh, I got a thumbs up. Don't forget your why. And it was a, I think she teach or she taught, um, second grade and I was a little piece of paper like, just like this. And it said, you are fat.

And I was like, honestly, if a child gave me that paper, I would never step foot in that school again. I would go home. I'd probably eat and cry. 

Right, right. They come for you in 

Andrea: a way, but I think it's almost worse with elementary because they're not doing it to be mean. They're just like, No, it's like, they're calling it as they see it.

No, you're fat. Like, 

Denver: I called you that because you are. Right, like, I don't think it, I know it. Like, look at you. Like, that's, that's how savage they are. It's the fat that's making me say it like it's Right, like, I didn't say it to be mean, I said it because you're fat. Right.

Andrea: I don't hate you because you're 

Denver: fat, you're fat because I hate you. A Mean Girls quote. 

Andrea: I love it. That's perfect. Yeah, we just got past October 3rd, so that's perfect. 

Denver: Totally. 

Andrea: Um I am in these middle schools now, right? I'm popping in and out. How is that going? Tell me about that. It's fine. It is Is it a war zone?

It's not at the schools that I'm going to. It's been fine until today where I Felt bullied. I came in to visit one of my students, right? And he is, he's got like long hair and like goat, like facial hair. He does not look like a teenager or a young child. Okay? And he's in the schools right now to become a teacher.

He's introduced himself to everyone as a college student. So I'm popping in to visit him today and I walk in and I hear someone go. Who's the lady in the green shirt? And I go and sit by my student and they go, Oh, it's his mom.

And I just sat there and he looks at me. He's like, Hey. And I was like, I just hold, I need a minute. I'm just gonna. Yeah, I just, he's like, what? Again, I'm not 

Denver: saying that to be mean. I'm saying it because you're old. Because you're old. 

Andrea: Because you're old. It's so humbling. And they will like hype you up because another class I visited, someone was like, Oh dude, I follow you on TikTok.

And I'm like, Hey, amazing. Yeah. No photo. Literally two minutes later. Oh, 

Denver: it's his mom. You know what? Can I tell you the difference? Okay. I have a family that I babysit and I babysat for during summer. The youngest one, I think, is Six. She just turned six. I took her to soccer the other day and I was like, Oh my God, I hope like, like the little kids were like, is that your mom?

But I'm like, you've seen her mom before. Like someone said that. And I was like, I'm a young, hot mom. I'm a young, hot mom. Yeah. However, when it's like, if someone said that to me with someone that was borderline my age, maybe even older, I would be like, Excuse me? 

Andrea: Yeah. So it's like And I mean So I thought about it.

I thought about it, and I was like, okay, he's like probably 21. Oh, so my age. You're not 21. Nice try. Nice try. You're not, so I feel like I'm 21. Okay. He's like 21. I'm 37. So technically I could be his mother if I was a teen mom. Did you forget how old I was? You look so shook right now. 

Denver: You're 

Andrea: 32. I'm 37 and I turned 38 in February.

You are 31 and I'm 21. Okay, perfect. Yes, I agree. 

Denver: Okay, 

Andrea: done. Okay, great. That's insane. Yeah. So I got bullied by a middle schooler today and I don't even think it was intentional of like, they were trying to pick on me. They were just like, oh, no, facts. Here she is to check on her child, her adult child in the classroom, 

Denver: like, oh, he got in trouble.

Actually, they're middle schoolers. They just live life. Delusionally. And that's everything I aspire to 

Andrea: do. 

Denver: And I do do it. So good for them. All 

Andrea: right. Perfect. On, on that note, we're going to be right back. And then I'm going to talk to you a little bit about love is blind. Speaking of delusion. 

Denver: Okay. 

Andrea: All right.

And it's going to, we're going to relate it back to education. Okay. Great. Okay. Great. Be right back. Welcome back to those who can't do a Denver Riley. Last time you were on, I believe I gave you a homework assignment. And it was to watch Love is Blind. 

Denver: Right. You did. 

Andrea: Yeah. Did you do that? 

Denver: I watched TikToks of it.

I literally have That's Sparknotes version, right? 

Andrea: Yeah. So that's basically the same thing is what we're trying to convey to people. So, yes. All right. There's this girl on the show. I don't remember her name. It's irrelevant what it is because those of who, those of you who have actually like seen the show and I have, I've been like Attempting to watch it several nights and end up staring at my phone and watching TikToks.

Um, it's not the most engaging. Yeah. It's not the most engaging season. I'm going to be honest, but one person, I 

Denver: want to preface and say, I have seen the shows. Prior, but I haven't started this new season. 

Andrea: Last season was amazing. This season. Correct. But there's this, there's this blonde on the show and she says some stuff, Denver, that it, it, I was trying to put a finger on why it bothers me.

First of all, she says, I'm a trope. I'm a trophy wife. I know there's all like all these girls out here trying to make money for themselves. That's not what I'm about. I'm obviously look at me. Okay, so that's part of it, right? And everything I saw online, people were praising her, saying, go queen, good for you for the self awareness.

Denver: Oh, that's a read. Good for you for being self aware, that, you're so brave for being self, that is a read and I love it. Okay, sorry, keep going. Does that mean 

Andrea: like a burn? Is that what that means? Yeah, it means like, 

Denver: I'm going to read you. Oh, 

Andrea: is that, is that a new phrase? 

Denver: No, you can take this out, but like the gays use it, like it's a gay, like the gays and the drag queens.

Okay. Yeah. Got it. I was just out of the loop. You can keep that in, actually. Who cares? That's fine. Yeah. 

Andrea: Learning is important. Learning is important! That's what this is about, is learning. I mean, I've learned so much today. Okay, so this girl, she also says, like, she makes comments about, like, how dumb she is, and like, oh my gosh, I, like, didn't even know that, I'm, like, such an idiot, oh my gosh.

And, like, I don't know. Often and frequently references her intelligence in a diminishing way. Like, I don't think that's the right word. Like, she demeans her own intelligence as a tool to attract men who cannot As a flirting mechanism? Yes. And I What's the goal? Hate that. Uh, to attract these men. Because obviously, why wouldn't they want a trophy wife who's hot and dumb?

Denver: Do men like dumb women? Is that like a thing I didn't know about? Maybe that's why everyone hates me because I'm so smart. 

Andrea: Denver, that is exactly why. 

Denver: I've cracked the code. It's 

Andrea: what my mom would always tell me is like, boys are just like super intimidated by a woman that's as smart and beautiful as me.

And I'm like, well, 

Denver: let's not even, let's get it. Like, I'm, I'm funnier than you. You're, you're so scared of me because of that. Yeah. Okay. So why is she doing these things? I would like to know. 

Andrea: Well, and I would love to know why everyone is just fine with it on the internet. And I don't, like, I try not to have the hot takes on the internet.

I'm far more willing to chit chat here. Totally. But I, it makes me so angry. And at first I was like, okay, am I mad that she doesn't want to work? No, because there's plenty of women who want to be a homemaker and a stay at home mom, love it, have no problem with it. Like, I think the best form of like celebrating feminism and all of that is that women get to choose and that there shouldn't be shame associated with either.

Right? So not mad at that. Do your thing, girl. Right. But pitching it as won't I make a great trophy. I don't like trophy wife. I don't like that phrase. Trophy wife is crazy. To me like that is, that is moving your value from your appearance or from like who you are as an individual to your appearance.

Plain and simple. 

Denver: Which there's a difference between being like, I don't know, I could see a world where you could like, I'm sure I've said that before. I'm like, I'm just tired of working. I want to be a trophy wife. And I just want to like, like be a dependapotamus, but like, I'm joking. 

Andrea: That is such a, such a like living in the area that you live in phrase because that is a 100 percent military specific term.

Did you know that? I did it. We're learning terms from different, see that's why I, I know that one because my husband, so it depends. It's actually kind of insulting, um, because, Oh, I'm 

Denver: canceled? 

Andrea: Yeah, definitely. Okay. I'm not invited on bass anymore. So essentially like. You date someone in the military and you're like hot and young and fit, and then you get married and you become a dependipotamus, so it's like a body shaming, like, off women who get married and have, like, you, you go to the, oh yeah, you go to the Marine Corps ball and you see all the young hot girls who haven't gotten married yet, and then you see The girls who, you know, who probably have had children and had to single mother while their spouses were deployed and have, like, crazy stress levels.

That is awful. Yeah, and you just used that so casually. How do we feel about that, Denver? 

Denver: I have seen the Barbie movie. And I support women. Actually, sometimes I don't. And I don't support men sometimes either. Like, the way you put your hand over your head. I pledge allegiance to the Barbie movie. And I pledge to never I don't get down with body shaming.

That's one thing. I'll shame someone for their behavior and the way that they treat people. I will never shame someone because of how they look or body shame at all, ever. But like, if you're a shitty person, whoops, sorry. If you're a bad person. You should 

Andrea: be shamed. Yeah, I think there is a lack of shame in general in, in the world.

And I kept thinking about that. 

Denver: Let's bring back shame. Bring I do think that like, everyone's like, girl, 

Andrea: don't be ashamed. And I'm like, no, no, you should be embarrassed if you are sitting there and you think that you're, like, call your dad. Like you guys need No, I was just 

Denver: going to say, I was just going to say, there is obviously some psychological issues happening with this woman.

Where it's like her defense mechanism, almost like, I'm gonna beat you to the punch, and call myself dumb, and only value me on my looks before you do it, because I can't take it from, like the whole thing of like, you can't say anything that I've already said to myself, that's what I fear is happening, and that is, So sad for her.

Andrea: And I feel like I did that in like middle school. I think the problem is like I would make fat jokes about myself. I was deeply, you know, nineties, early two thousands, right? Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera. I have a, I have a vivid memory of like grabbing my stomach and pinching it when I was a little girl because I was so angry at my body for literally just existing.

And I like would be talking to people and I would like make jokes with myself at the butt of the jokes and people would like, cause it was better for them to be laughing with me because I got bullied in like early middle school and stuff. And I'm like, well, I'm making the jokes. Then, like, I'm in on it.

You're not going to be able to do it. It's like that scene from The Office where Michael tries to make everybody like, have you not seen The Office? My God, the look on your face. Yes, I have. Yes, I have. All right. Of 

Denver: course I have. 

Andrea: Where Michael starts talking about, like, how, like, I can't remember the specifics of the scene, but he's, like, insulting himself and saying, right?

Isn't 

Denver: he trying to be like, I'm being funny? And he's like, I'm just the source. stupidest boss in the war 

Andrea: exactly. And then everyone's like, no, Michael, you're actually you're not that bad. And then he goes too far and he started crying. Like 

Denver: it's like no, I, that's really sad. But that exact moment that you were talking about in middle school, I have had, I've had those moments in high school, like in co like it was so detrimental for like me as a young child and like seeing that in like a grown woman.

That's why I really try. I've been really conscious about doing that. Like. I'm not saying things like that even around my friends or like places I feel really comfortable because I always like to say like don't talk like when my friends are doing that don't talk about my friend like that's my friend right don't talk about my friend like that and I'll say that sometimes to the students where they'll be like I'm so stupid I'm like don't talk about my student like that right that's do not Right.

Andrea: Please. And I think that's what that girl needed is like, I feel like, and here's like the other side of that. Like maybe she didn't get bullied for her body. Maybe she always, cause she is very beautiful. Like to be so clear, like she is gorgeous. She's very slender, all of that stuff. And maybe for her, her growing up experience was like, like the opposite of mine where I was like, I hate my body so much.

She was like, everybody loves me for this. Like that is my best trait. I had to develop a whole personality and a sense of humor. 

Denver: Oh, I had to be the funniest person in the room because you were laughing with me, not at me. Exactly. 

Andrea: Right. But like she grew up like very much having to protect her image in a way that like everyone around her was like, that's your value.

And so now I'm thinking like, okay, with my students, especially when I was teaching high school, like how I would have conversations with them about whenever they had like a bad breakup or they would be like, well, I just don't like, he's not responding to my texts. And I'm like, baby girl, you shouldn't have texted him in the beginning.

Like he, he does not deserve you. That's what you do to 

Denver: me. All the time I do that to you. All the time to me, because I am no better than them in that category. I'm like, ma'am, he should be so 

Andrea: lucky. 

Denver: I think, I have a club that I, it's up in, it's in its works. Girl Talk. I don't know if you were here when I started it.

I think 

Andrea: you started it the year after I left. 

Denver: Right, and I actually got the idea from a creator on TikTok, I can't think of her name right now, but basically a club just for the girls. On campus, there's, there's no like positivity for these young women who are probably trapped in their mind because of these comments or the pressures that they feel or just everything that we just talked about, because that's going to trickle into like adulthood.

So we need something to like break the cycle, especially like young girls are so impressionable. It's, as we just discussed, like it's, it's, it's a lot. Yeah. And for even the young men, like the young boys here of like, You need to know what it means to abdicate for a woman. You need to know what it means, like, when you call your friend the B word, if she's like, uh huh, but then, or yeah, the value that they place that their only worth is like, I'm just not pretty enough, like, oh, she's so much prettier than me, of like, Girlfriend?

No. No. Right. Or we can't comments tell ourselves that 

Andrea: Comments like the comments like, good thing you're pretty, which I've been guilty of saying that to someone like, oh, you're so pretty. Like, right. You know, and, and not intending to like place value on that above other things or whatever. But I mean, you figure like, honestly, like I've seen a lot of stuff about pretty privilege lately on TikTok and all of that, and it's.

I feel like people who are very beautiful have such a specific experience that, like, the rest of us can't really understand. So hard for us to empathize, right? Because it's like, but you're pretty. And right. If they lip sync a song on Tik Tok, they can go viral because they're gorgeous. Just Being hot, right?

100%. Like, I have to make up all, like, I have to make up or I have to create some sort of narrative storytelling, be funny and witty and do it at the right pacing and time. Like, if I lip sync, that thing is going to bomb. Trust me, I've done it. Like, it has to be super funny, but if it's just a song, 

Denver: no, absolutely not.

I think that's, like, summarizing all of that, that's how I, I always felt growing up. Like, all of my friends were slender, and like, beautiful, and tall, and abs, and like, gorgeous, like, I just was never that, I've always been curvier, I've always, I've had not the clearest skin, my hair was coarse and thicker than everybody else, and I had to, again, develop a whole other mask of like, I'm worthy too, cause I'm so funny, but I'm funny, Hey, but I'm funny.

She might be hot, but I'm funny. But you know what? I would rather be funny than hot because my humor will last forever and we're all going to get old. So. That's 

Andrea: very true. I just, I, the whole time that I was watching this girl interact on Love is Blind, I just kept being like, 

Denver: don't, 

Andrea: don't like. 

Denver: Are men like, does she have suitors that are like, I really like her because of her intellectual conversations?

Andrea: Uh, I mean, they can't see her, right? So they can't, but she has also a very high pitch Like, it's not vocal fry. go home 

Denver: and watch tonight. 

Andrea: Yeah, you'll know immediately who I'm talking about as soon as you start watching it. Um, and like, like I've attempted to start it like three times, have gotten distracted.

So it just hasn't really hit for me. I just maybe haven't been in the mood also because I've been looking at all the hurricane stuff. So, 

Denver: um, it doesn't feel like 

Andrea: a 

Denver: time 

Andrea: for that. 

Denver: It's like, I'm going to put this on the back burner when I'm ready to focus. Exactly. So yeah, it's been, it's 

Andrea: been a while. Just, uh, different, but every time I see that, it makes me angry, and I was literally today spending time identifying, like, why, why don't I like her?

Because I, I generally like everybody. Like it takes A lot. If I meet somebody, my first instinct is I like you and I find things and reasons to like you. Even if there are some things I maybe don't like about you or whatever, like, I will find reasons to like you. And for her, I'm like, I 

Denver: love people. I really do.

Like I, I love people. But there is, it is always interesting when you run into one of those people that you're like, I don't know what it is, but you're just not 

Andrea: it. You know what though? I don't love people. I love person. If that makes sense. Like I don't like large groups of people all at the same time, but I love individuals and I love like hanging out and having like that individual, like our group of, of teacher besties love, love, love, love.

How many times did, did our group go? to the all faculty events. Never. Well, I never, I never did. Our group never. You, I tried once. Before you started. Okay. I 

Denver: was like, I don't know. I 

Andrea: tried one time and literally nobody else came and then you, I think, went. 

Denver: I went with Abby. 

Andrea: Who has not been on the podcast guys.

She's the only one. 

Denver: Abby. Abby. She knows, she knows what she's done. Yeah. She's just being a superstar. 

Andrea: She is. Yeah. But I, like, I love persons. I don't. That makes, 

Denver: that totally makes sense. Like one to one. See, I'm just a ham. You know this about me. I love attention. So I love the people. Give me the people.

Give me the people. Give me all of the attention and audience. 

Andrea: And that tracks, honestly. Um, okay. So moving in to a news article I read today in Texas, there was a preschool, um, who, uh, they used some stickers. on the children before nap time so that they would get a better nap. Um, they were like melatonin sleepy time stickers.

How do you, what's your take on that? They're formulated for children from what I gather. 

Denver: They are for children? 

Andrea: I believe so. 

Denver: You might as well have given them a bottle of 

Andrea: NyQuil. But NyQuil could actually kill them, is the thing. Okay, 

Denver: so what was the purpose of the melatonin? Just so that they could get a good bed or night?

Andrea: Oh, so they'd shut up. For sure. So they'd shut up. Yeah. Yeah. So that they would go night night. But they're like sleepy stickers. 

Denver: I've never even heard of this. Give them to me immediately. Um, I was gonna say. Because I have insomnia. Let 

Andrea: me 

Denver: see. 

Andrea: Sleepy stickers. Stickers. When you said stickers, I thought it was going to be like Weed stickers?

Is that a thing? 

Denver: What did you say? 

Andrea: Weed stickers? It feels like that would be a thing. Is that, Denver, is that a thing? Will you please tell me if that's a thing? 

Denver: For sure that's a thing. Is it? Yes! Oh! See? I don't know. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No. No. Okay, I mean like stickers that give you weed. Is that okay?

No, I thought you meant 

like, hemp plant stickers. I was like, duh! No, Timber, I've 

Andrea: seen a skateboard before. 

Denver: I Yeah, you've met our kids. Hello! Okay. 

Andrea: Okay, are you ready? Um I'm not. Okay. This is an interview with a little girl, uh, or the mom of a little girl. She said, it's a sleeping sticker. I asked, where did you get this?

She said, my teacher gives it to me for sleeping time. Luviano claims her daughter told her that the other kids in her class also get it. The next day we went to school, we brought the evidence up there and we filed a report. We did say we wanted to file criminal charges if this is something that is true.

Um, the expectation was that the school would notify other parents after nearly two weeks went by. She did, the school did not. These are four year olds, um,

and they didn't tell people, Oh, every night my son would come home. He's staying up. So they would nap at school really heavily and then they wouldn't be able to go to sleep. 

Denver: That is absolutely insane. If that was my child. 

Andrea: Yeah. 

Denver: Yeah. What are your thoughts? Cause you have children and I don't. 

Andrea: I do. Uh, I don't.

Okay. So I can't find if the stickers were formulated for children. I do know there are some melatonin gummies and stuff that are like supposed to be for kids. Yes. But. I will say that if it had just been me, there have been times where I've been like, okay with giving my kids melatonin. I know a lot of parents give their kids melatonin.

Um, my husband, Stephen, he, based on the reading that he's done, isn't comfortable with it. Not because there has been anything found yet about the impact. He's concerned about doing things differently. Chemically, that might stop our kids from being able to sleep long term because they're in their brains are immune or 

Denver: whatever.

Andrea: Exactly. Exactly. So that's his major concern. Um, I would. It's kind of the audacity, like it's not like these kids, audacity, these kids aren't going to have like probably permanent damage from having sleepy time stickers, but who do you think you are giving these kids a medication, like you have to get, you have to call home for every medication, every single one.

Like, 

Denver: I just don't, I don't know, I don't know what world they were living in. Was it one teacher or was it multiple people or? It says teachers. Okay. Okay. Elementary 

Andrea: school. 

Denver: Preschool classes. Plural. What world did everyone get together and was like, I have the best idea ever. 

Andrea: My guess is they're only doing it for kids that probably were being rambunctious and wouldn't go down for nap time.

Cause a lot of elementary schools or preschools will have nap time. Like my kids have like a very short rest or nap time or whatever. Um, But, and it says, it says Northgate Crossing Elementary School, so it doesn't actually even say preschool. It says like elementary school, which is wild. No, the, 

Denver: the audacity you set up are the, what in your right mind thinks you're going to do that to my kid?

Andrea: Yeah, I, I cannot even fathom, I'm assuming these, it's, those poor little 

Denver: babies too of being like, I'm so groggy and sleepy after my nap. Like, I know when I take melatonin and I wake up, I'm like, where am I? Like, where am I? Whose house is this? Them being too wired at night. Messing up their sleep schedule, like, what are you doing?

Andrea: Well, and, I guess, it's that whole common sense isn't common thing, but you would hope that educators, like, guys, you know what you're doing, especially because they were going out of their way to make sure the stickers were off the kids before they went home, and one kid, like, snuck it, I guess? Good kid!

Yeah, uh, but I, I don't know if you've seen on, on, uh, tiktok there's been a series of videos that like a sleepy bottle or something is it's something along those lines where they're giving like allergy meds and ibuprofen and like basically like a cocktail of different medications to babies because they're not 

Denver: seen this 

Andrea: because they're like not sleeping um and i saw what i saw was a stitch from a doctor being like Hey, don't do that by the way, by the way.

Allergy meds in general could be very, very dangerous for small children. Cough medicine is scary, dangerous. I remember I was really desperate once when my son was like two and a half, I think, and he was coughing so much and we had him elevated and humidifier and all of that. And I was like, can we just give him like children's cough medicine?

And he wasn't. At the weight limit. And my dad was, dad was a PA at the time. He was like, no. And I was like, really? Like, is it that big of a deal? Like he's only a year young for it. And he's like, there have been kids who, because it's a cough suppressant, it suppresses their, their body, their like system.

And kids have died because they took cough medicine before they were at an age where they can. And I was like, 

Denver: Oh, okay. Okay. Never got it. That's the last thing you have to say. I think too, like. Just without the parents knowledge. I mean, it's, that's the main thing. And I wonder if a kid was like, no, I don't want that.

Would they be like, no, you're putting it on? Like, 

Andrea: I mean, kids love stickers. I highly doubt any kid was like, I don't want the sticker. Kids love a sticker. Like it's sleepy time. Look at this moon and stars sticker you get to wear. I get a 

Denver: sticker to help me to Before I go to sleep, that's just so Yeah, the 

Andrea: more I think about it, the more it would be on site if I saw those teachers after 

Denver: Oh, I would be, I'd put my hair up, take my earrings out, and I'm going to jail.

Andrea: Thousand percent. And you're going 

Denver: in the ground. Wow. 

Andrea: Um, okay, so we're in agreement. We're just going to have to go fight those teachers. Fine. Okay, perfect. I'll do it. Um I had somebody, I actually, because our list of questions that I had collected was getting a little thin. So right before I hopped on, I asked people, I was like, Hey, I got Denver coming on.

What is a question that we can answer? Oh, yes. And somebody asked, how can you give feedback to a new teacher in a way that would not hurt their feelings? Ooh. And I felt like that was a good one for, for me. You to try and answer. 

Denver: Ooh, okay. This is a good one because as someone who gets their feelings hurt a lot.

like secretly, I'm very emotional. You know this. I'm very sensitive, I'm very emotional. However, I had to learn pretty quickly that any feedback I'm getting. Hopefully, it's constructive, but giving the feedback, oh, that's such a hard question. Okay, so without hurting their feelings, I think it's important to establish, again, like starting with, okay, hey, here's what I'm seeing that's like, that's working.

Good job. Kind of like the, 

Andrea: the sandwich 

Denver: sandwich. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, this was really good. I think next time I want you to, we should, is this like someone being observed or it's like, I think this is new first year teacher. 

Andrea: I think this is somebody who is working with someone who they have like authority over kind of so probably like a mentor 

Denver: kind of a relationship.

So instead of like an accusatory way, I think it goes like any way that you're trying to give anyone something without hurting their feelings. This is not accusatory. It's not anything to do with you. This is what I'm noticing. And I think sometimes. new teachers do need the like, very straightforward of like, this just did not work.

How can we fix it for next time? Because knowing first year teaching is really all trial and error. That's the number one way you think, or you have to get through your head. It's trial and error. And my biggest concern was like, well, those kids are like, I feel bad. They're Guinea pigs. Like someone told me, like they are.

Yeah. Yes, they're just the bunch that are the guinea pigs. Yeah. And so you can't change it because it already happened and it's not going to get immediately fixed, but only fix the things. So if it's like a classroom management thing, um, the reality of you got to get that together, you have to get that together of like a straightforward, this is what's going to happen if not, 

right?

So 

don't panic. But tomorrow, we're going to try this, and if it doesn't work, we're going to try something else. So kind of lending that, like, here's a toolbox that we can put together, what are we going to take from the toolbox? Because then it's like a collaborative thing, and it's not, again, not an accusatory thing of like, I can't believe you did that.

Or like, you did this. Right. I would be like, so you hate me? That's right, so So I'm awful? Got it. I'm the worst, okay. In a more, like, okay. What, what are we gonna do now to make that more successful next time? 

Andrea: Yeah. I, I like that. It's like a 

Denver: next time thing. 

Andrea: Yeah. I think another part of it that I would always try and go for as well is allowing them, like being like, Hey, how'd that go in your, through your eyes?

How'd that go? Because I feel like for me, it's very empowering for me to be the one that says like, it did not go well. Like, I see it thousand million percent. I see that. And then to ask like, okay. Do you have any ideas of how you can adjust for next time? So again, giving them the empowerment of like, I identify this is not good.

Here's what I can do next time. That way, you're not telling them something that they already know, because that's harder, I feel like, to take. 

Denver: Especially, again, if you know it was bad and they just reaffirm it and you're like, yeah, 

Andrea: yeah, I know. 

Denver: Thank you so much for piling on. 

Andrea: Yeah. And sometimes I will, I will open up myself to, it is in so many ways, teaching college, teaching future teachers is, is a dream.

One of the ways it is not a dream is that they are very critical of teaching strategies because you are teaching them strategies. And so if you slip up once, if you would lecture, For longer than the time that you say that you should be lecturing, they're not about it. You know, they're going to call you out, which is really, it keeps me on my toes.

But also sometimes that's like, so sometimes if I notice I'm doing something that I'm like, oh, this is not great teaching, I might stop and be like, okay, guys, I'm losing some of you. Why do you think that is? And I invite them to tell me 

Denver: to 

Andrea: like, identify like, okay, you've been talking at us. That's for 20 minutes?

That's too long. I'm checked out. Yeah. I'm like, perfect. Got it. Let's change into something else. Who's got an idea of how we can shift this? I still have to talk to you guys about these three things. How can we do it different? Right. Um, and can kind of do it that way. And when I, when you're working with like a mentee, you can probably do a lot of that same stuff of like, Hey.

Yeah. That wasn't great. What do you think we can do to change it? Um, I always am like, let me tell you how as bad as that was, I did it worse and survived. 

Denver: Kind of like the reassurance of like, it's not just you. This is normal. Yeah, exactly. Something that my mentor when I was student teaching did. Which was so helpful and so awesome is she actually had a composition notebook just for me and her to write notes back to each other.

So when it was my turn to, it was a block. Schedule. So I took the first two classes and then she had the other two. Um, she would, I know on top of all of her other things that she had to do was amazing and took notes on like, I noticed this. And it was kind of Cornell note style and she left the right side for me to respond to.

Andrea: And so it was 

Denver: kind of like a dialogue back and forth. And then we discussed at the end of the week, it was so helpful. It was so awesome because then I could put in again, my own thoughts and get hers back. back. And if you're someone that's just, again, maybe sensitive and you don't know how to handle that critique, that might be really helpful because it's not that face to face yet.

It's just kind of let me get my thoughts out first. 

Andrea: I love it. 

Denver: Yeah, 

Andrea: it was 

Denver: awesome. 

Andrea: That's really great. And good on that teacher for taking the time because she 

Denver: was Amazing. She was the, she was just so amazing. And then it got ruined by COVID. So our time was cut short, but she was so great. 

Andrea: Um, okay. I asked some people what students were up to this week.

And one of the things I can't wait to hear that happened this last week is a girl, um, had her backpack searched. I don't know what the specific reason was for that, but unfortunately they did in fact find, um, a vibrator and some lubricant. 

Denver: That is not what I thought was going to come out of your mouth.

Andrea: Not drugs. Not drugs. 

Denver: Oh? So, yeah, I want to know why was her backpack searched. I 

Andrea: don't know. I don't know if it was 

Denver: Yes. Okay. Um, what's that? I want to know what that conversation is like after to the discovery of said items in the backpack. 

Andrea: I want to know if the people were wearing gloves when they searched the backpack.

Oh? I hope they were. I hope they were. I hope for them. They were. Do they give it back? Do they just slide it across the Do you give 

Denver: that back? Do you just take it out and you're like what is this? And it's like Flaring around? I just 

Andrea: This belongs to you? . 

Denver: It actually, it like accidentally goes off. You're like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I didn't want 

Andrea: that. I, um, who holds it? Like who, who holds it in the meantime while you're waiting for parents to come? Because is it in a desk? Is it, is it in a, then are you documenting that this is not mine? Are you keeping it? I'm holding it for a friend. Becausecause. If you hide it, it looks like you're

Like when you hand it back, where are you, how are you handing it? Where are you holding it? To hand it back is, are you, are you just. Like, there's only really one way to do it. 

Denver: You put it There's only two ways. The top or the bottom. So You could 

Andrea: probably, you could, no, you could treat it like a communion tray and just put it on top.

That's terrible. Let's use a different metaphor. That is 

Denver: Uh, you could put it on a tray You can do whatever you want to do. 

Andrea: You could put it on a tray like you were getting served, uh, something. Um, 

Denver: right. You could put it in a bag, another bag, just double bag, not the backpack, double, 

double wrap it, double wrap 

Andrea: it.

All right. This has gone off the rails. Denver, this is a cleanish podcast. Oh no. I call BS, but okay. Um, Hey, what do you have going on? Do you want to plug your socials? All that good stuff. 

Denver: I do. I have. As we discussed before the episode, I have so much going on, so you can catch up with whatever's happening in my life, keeping up with Ms.

Stoppie. on tiktok. 

Andrea: You said that so weird. Say it again because no one's gonna, it sounded like stop. I just forget. It's keeping up with miss period b on both on instagram and tiktok. 

Denver: Andrea knows she's obsessed with me. Um, yeah, come keep up with me. Keeping up with Miss B. Yeah, period. Nope. That's not it either.

Andrea: Keeping up with Miss 

Denver: K. And on Instagram, it's keepingupwithmiss. b underscore. 

I'm so proud of you. 

You did it. I did it. I 

Andrea: did it. I wrote my name. Well, thank you so much for coming on again. I appreciate you. 

Denver: Thank you for having me. I literally it's the highlight of my week. I love it. All 

Andrea: right, guys, we will be right back.

Welcome back to those who can't do Denver is probably one of. My favorite humans. It is just so fun. Number one, to talk to somebody who is at the stage that she's at with teaching because she's been teaching for about three years and I am actively working with my students in the college setting to prepare them for the classrooms that she's already in.

And I am in the schools pretty often, but it doesn't really give me the same feeling. And so just getting to chat with her about like, Um, what the vibes are in class and the terminology that is ever changing in the classroom is incredibly helpful. Um, if you have thoughts about what we talked about today, or you have suggestions on who you think should come on the podcast, you can reach out and get us on email.

I don't know why that was hard for me to say, Andrea at human content. com, or you can catch me on Instagram or TikTok at educator Andrea. Or you can contact the whole human content podcast family on Instagram and TikTok at human content pods. And a very special thank you to those of you who have gone on and left feedback and reviews and all of that.

We don't have one that had words, you know, this week, cause there are some that you just go and you click five stars. And so, um, I'm just going to read that some, some people, they left the five stars this week and I appreciate you. That is absolutely wonderful. Thank you so much. If you have not. Yet left a review for the podcast podcast podcast.

I say class so much. It's just like slowly like absorbing the other words that are similar. Um, if you enjoyed the podcast, please do, uh, go and leave a review. I really appreciate it. If you want to check out the full YouTube episodes, they're up every week on YouTube. At Educator Andrea. Thank you so much for listening.

I am your host, Andrea Forkham. A very special thank you to our guest co host today, Denver Riley. Our executive producers are Andrea Forkham, Aron Korney, Rob Goldman, and Shahnti Brooke. Our editor is Andrew Sims. Our engineer is Jason Portizo. Our music is by Omer Ben Zvi. Our recording location is the Indiana State Bi College of Education.

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